I was strolling along Prontera in Freya and Baldur just this afternoon and I was really taken aback by some of the prices. This confirmed that the recent disconnection problems have opened an opportunity for several players to abuse the dupe bug exploit again. While we are able to stop this from happening in the weekly and announced emergency maintenances, our measures doesn’t apply yet to involuntary map zone crashes. As mentioned in my previous post, I’m here to give the official announcement. This will come out in the pRO website in the next couple of minutes so this is pretty much it. Read the official announcement and resolution after the jump.
Citizens of Midgard,
We’ve been receiving multiple complaints about the duplicated item issue. As such, our IT and GM teams worked together with Gravity to determine the full extent of the exploit. We’ve isolated the problem in the following servers – Baldur, Tyr, and Freya. In order to preserve the game integrity and balance of the game we’re going to have inventory, kafra storage, and cart rollback tomorrow during maintenance to June 1, 2007 for the said servers. Take note that your levels, experience, agit economy, agit safeguard, and RPC scores will not be affected by this development. Due to the time needed to implement these changes, maintenance will be extended until 4:00PM. Players who were caught exploiting the bug will be sanctioned accordingly. If you have any suspects, please feel free to submit a player misconduct ticket through Customer Support so we can investigate properly. Gravity will also be making security updates which aims to block new and future methods of this bug.
As compensation, affected servers will be on 3x EXP until June 20, 2007. Thor will be on 2.5x and Urdr will be on 4x because of their previous compensation for the delayed character slot expansion which was scheduled last week.
Thank you for your understanding and support.
pRO GM Team
This is pretty much a “damned if you don’t, damned if you do” moment so I’m sure that this won’t please everyone. I can only share with your frustrations and apologize. At times like these, I really feel sad because I can still remember how bad it felt when I first heard about a rollback when I was still playing. There are no words that will fully express how I feel, but at least I gave it a try through this blog. Thanks to everyone for your support and vigilance.
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-Melee- on June 13, 2007
wauks matanong ko lang, mahirap ba i-WIPE out lahat ng dupe items? kapag this maintenance d nio naaus yan, bilng na ang araw ng pRO!! :e4: dami magququit..
Aerionn Brightmoon on June 13, 2007
why?
why couldn’t you have taken the more fair route. why couldn’t you just go through the database and clean out the dupes? it’s a database.
I’m with Yralyn. You should’ve just done the fair thing. That way tje only people who will be whining are the botters and dupers, like that nimrod Legokidd. But no, instead, you’re penalising people who actually want to play the game properly.
i’ve read all of the comments here, and while quite a few of them were really f*in irritating, these people have a point.
a june 1 rollback only benefits you guys. there are a lot of people here who are internet cafe players. essentially you’re telling these people to throw away about PHP 1,500 depending on the rate of the cafes their forced to play in.
take for example this Aaron guy, baka maatake na yan sa ginawa ninyo. he must have spent about that much for his alleged 35 hour hunt for DR. not too mention he might have used bubble gum too. I’m pretty well much sure there are a few more Aarons who have
Waukeen, i’ve tried to be fair with you guys at LUG as much as possible on your blog, and really appreciated the fact you actually came to the community to ask for suggestions as to a way out of this problem. Unfortunately, i don’t see where any of our input was considered.
Kiko, GM Tristan has been playing since beta, so before you cast your aspersions, kilalanin mo muna yung pinagsasabihan mo. You make a lot of good points though. Thing is, maybe you are right… maybe the people in LUG have forgotten how it is to be players…
GM Tristan, sorry to say this but you guys are reaping what those MORONS who were working in LUG before you guys have sown. Maybe there are still people there who have connections to the large botting/duping guilds in the three servers… and maybe, as Yralyn said this inefficiency was intentional.
In essence, i’ll just say this.
PUNISH THE DUPERS.
maybe those three words will be better understood by the Gravity people.
ArchieNov on June 13, 2007
@Wauks and Tristan
You said:
“Players who were caught exploiting the bug will be sanctioned accordingly.”
Then why don’t you ban/delete/rollback/punish just those people instead? Why do you have to do a server-wide rollback that will affect EVERYONE, the MAJORITY of which ARE INNOCENT?
Do any of you know about the Theory of Utilitarianism? It’s a simple but basic rule of COSTS VS BENEFITS. Just look at the rollback you propose to do. Do you really think that the Cost will outweigh or justify the Benefit?? Read all the posts and you’ll definitely see that the majority of players DO NOT AGREE with your proposal.
Up until now, we have not been given an EXPLANATION of how this 2-week long rollback will solve or prevent the dupe bug problem. You know why? It is because IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM! In fact, this will just aggravate and frustrate EVERYONE!
You’re a brand manager. Who are you serving?
The rollback will ONLY BENEFIT DUPERS. They get to keep their zeny and PHP, and they’ll get their items back. And guess what? It seems like they can continue to keep on duping after the rollback because YOU DID NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM!
How about the rest of the RO population? I don’t the exact figure but I’m guessing that at least 90-95% of the population is innocent. We did not duplicate items. The ones that we have were either bought with zeny and/or PHP or came from monster drops and quests. Think about what will happen if you TAKE AWAY OUR ITEMS WITHOUT GIVING US BACK OUR MONEY OR OUR HARD WORK. Do you think WE WANT THAT? HELL NO!!!
Oh yeah one last thing. The 3x EXP/drop as a means of compensation for the rollback is stupid. As you can see from the posts, NO ONE REALLY CARES ABOUT THAT.
So again, I think what everyone wants can be summarized into one sentence:
DON’T DO A ROLLBACK!!!
Freyan on June 13, 2007
Patch muna against dupers then saka rollback. IMHO
-Melee- on June 13, 2007
no ROLLBACK please just delete the DUPLICATED ITEMS, it’s that simple…
EvilAsh on June 13, 2007
Ok I did a little more thinking and this is my “theory” on why they announced a ROLLBACK. Conspiracy theorists are welcome to comment :heh:
First Waukeen announces that they’ve created an anti-dupe script and that the “dupers days are numbered”. The script was supposed to delete illegal items which not suprisingly caused an uproar in the pRO population.
This also sends all the dupers into a selling frenzy vending Ice picks, GR cards, and other rare items which in turn exposes the dupers identities (who will hopefully be banned and die horrible and torturous deaths).
Waukeen then announces that they’ll implement a ROLLBACK instead of the planned DUPE deletion. Cue angry bloodthirsty mobs.
What if they planned everything from the very beginning? First announcing the DUPE deletion to ferret out the DUPERs and get them to dump the items at ridiculously low prices. Once they’ve tagged the DUPERs they announce that they’ll do a ROLLBACK but in reality they’ll eventually go with the DUPE deletion which was announce weeks ago. I mean ask yourselves this. If you were to choose RIGHT NOW between a ROLLBACK and DUPE deletion which would you pick? Pretty slick move diba? There will be less angry mobs now with the DUPE deletion than it was a few weeks ago. Everybody’s happy.
ChewCHEW Rocket on June 13, 2007
I do hope you could read this sir wauks id like to ask if consumed items that were used for example pet food that was fed to the pets will be reseted too and so will the intimacy drop again from start if so what about the hardest pets to loyalize the homunculus will they be affected as well or will they be bug
Its hard to imagine i spent 5 weeks feeding that homunculus and itll all be for nothing….. i do hope you could enlighten me i dont care if my zennies dont come back nor do my items upto now the only thing that holds my hardwork and patience is the homunculus… i do hope you wont ignore this and i do hope you can enlighten me with a simple reply…
whiteman on June 13, 2007
@ Aerionn Brightmoon
You hit it bro! Bulls eye! BINGO!!!
Yes PUNISH THE DUPERS!
BUT, can LU, GM and IT team can have the guts to punish the dupers especially players like legokidd. No way, they can afford to lost thousand of innocent players but i have a doubt if the LU people even Sir Waukz can punish his friend legokidd and others.
drewlet on June 13, 2007
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Tra magdemanda tau, idemanda natin ung LUG!!!!!!!!!
mabetter na ishutdown nlng nila ung ragnarok kesa lokhin nila tau!!!!!!!
pero dpat pagshotdown nlila, may refund s lhat ng mga ginastos natin sa laro!!!!
may mga pera n na invole d2..
IDEMANDA NA YAN P0TANG INAAAA!!
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~Syndrome~ on June 13, 2007
@WAUKS
Sana pati yugn zeny ibalik nyo din!kasi dko alam kung yung na bili kogn sunnies eh dup ro hindi!tapos pag dup mawawala paano yung zeny ko ganun na lang yun ibabawi nyo sa x3 exp?Parang hindi yata fair yun diba 1.2B parang ma hirap yatang ipunin yun!Sana paki gawan naman ng solusyon!Sana laagy nyo sa site kugn sino yung mga nag dup para ma pahiya diba!Parang yung mga bot sa Thor nilalagay chracter’s name nila!ALama ko daming sikat na guild nyan ang ma papahiya na duplicator pala GM nila!
@GMtrista
So ibig mo po bang sabihin Kawawa parin yung naka bili ng dup kasi sila ang mag suffer ng na dup na item na na bili nila? :hmm: Kawawa naman kaming naka bili ng dup item Kasi yung pinag hirapan namin zeny na ipunin eh ma wawala na lang ng tuluyan!
Baldog on June 13, 2007
This is our fate. We’ve wasted lots and lots of money & time just to fulfill our desire. The desire to play pRO. This is just so fucked up! We thought we can get away from the real world momentarily. To relieve stress, have fun and to think that this eliminates all your problems temporarily. But it’s not. It’s just like the real world. Yes, this is just a game. But come to think of what’s happening.
Most abuse their power to deteriorate lives. I’m pertaining to the LU administration and the GMs. Have you ever realized the damage you’ve done since this shitload started? You’re saying that it is for game integrity and balance. Since when this fucking game got it? At the beta play? Ever since, customer support tickets took a lot of time to solve and the hard part it might not be solved. And in other cases, some players have a strong bond with the GMs. That’s why their not banned at all. What the hell are you people doing? Sitting around and just drink coffee while earning money?
This game is full of shit! Syndicates! Everything ends assholes! Karma is waiting for all of you. Your downfall might be near. :gg: And to those I’m pertaining to: FUCK YOU ALL SUCKERS!!! YOU’LL DIE SOON!!! :heh:
Eui-Jin on June 13, 2007
@wauks and tristan
sir’s panu naman kaming walang kamalay malay at gumastos ng malaki…. example ng AR hat… dati ko pa gus2 bumili ngaun bumili ako gan2 pa mangyayari…. kung i rorollback nyo nga starting june 1. ibg sabihn ung ibang gamit ko… totally mawawala na…. kasi rollback eh…. panu naman ung zeny…. dba…. panu ung php…. dba…. pera sir ang pnag uusapan d2…. kung pede sana ung mga dupe items lang burahin nyo…. indi nyo kailangan mag roll back eh… dupe items ang involve d2… kaya dupe items lang tanggalin nyo… suggest ko lang mga sir and mam….
-Melee- on June 13, 2007
kung pati gametime mag roll back payag na ako..kawawa kasi farmers ko..
enigma on June 13, 2007
Paano na ‘yung mga binili sa hypermart?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sux: :sux: :sux: :sux: :sux: :sux:
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whiteman on June 13, 2007
@ ArchieNov
got your point loud and clear.
i’ve read your post #78 also after waukeen gave their decision regarding sa dupe issue. i really appreciate that post. you have very good point there. in fact kung nabasa cguro ni waukeen yonm before they make a decision they will go for option 2. though i am for option #3, after reading your cooment i have an inclination for option 2.
let me ask you a questrion. Have you seen the screenshot sa Freya? 5000+ Gr card naka vend. 400+ OH card na ka vend rin. kahit DL, DI and mistress nakavend. Ganyan na ba karami an na boss hunt ng vendor since beta days?
when this hard evidence sa freya screenshot, do you still go for option 2?
Majority is for NO ROLLBACK. I fully agree eith you that the proposal they are offering is not enough to compensate sa losses ng mga players. It fact the beneficiary here is not the players but the dupers.
I just want to hear from you what you are suggesting sa mga laganap na mga dupe items? NO DELETION pa rin ba and NO ROLLBACK? :hmm:
whiteman on June 13, 2007
@ everybody
do you still remember the number game promo of PEPSI? Everyday the pepsi will release the winning number and once you have that number in your pepsi cap you can win php1,000,00, php500,000 or php100,000. PHP yan hindi zeny!
because of this number game promo ng pepsi bumbaba ung income ng coke. during that time naiwanan ng pepsi ung coke in terms of sales.
Lo and behold dumating ung 349 (not sure of the number combination) problem. Sobra dami ang meron 349 cap and the pepsi reverse the winning number for that day. daming taong nagalit sa PEPSI. all over the philippines galit na galit ung mga tao sa pepsi. then during that time wala ng bumili ng pepsi products ( of course i’m not sure sa present time).
I think THIS IS IT for pRO! the dupe issue is too big for LU, GM, IT and waukeen group to solve. if they can solve this problem I will salute them and i will even recommend them for philippine government cabinet post! but unless they can solve the dupe bug problem first this is the end for RO years is inevitable. ROLLBACK is not the answer if the dupers can still continue doing the illegal things after the rollback.
Hindi lang 12-0 ang mangyari sa pRO. 24-0 na talaga and nobody cares to patch RO anymore.
how about pRO2? sorry guys but pRO2 will suffer the same fate of RO1. we just pray that I am wrong in my prediction so we can still enjoy playing RO. kaya lang hopeless na talaga.
Even this blog show what is coming. 300+ na comments ang what? do you have updates? any words from LU leaders? NOTHING!
junie on June 13, 2007
wala paring update?? ang natatandaan ko nagparomise c wauks na i-uupdate nia tau…
mg: :pif:
Nubain on June 13, 2007
nung umpisa pa lang kasi dapat sinunod na yung original plan na delete all dupes… anong ginawa, gumawa pa ng poll kung anong pwedeng action ang gagawin… ayan habang tumatagal, go pa rin ang mga dupers hanggang ngayon na hindi ninyo inaasahan kaya ang nagiisa at pinakamadali nyong magagawa ay ang mag roll back, pero yan hindi nyo na kailangan pang itanong sa amin basta mga ganyang bagay.
Kiko Matsing on June 13, 2007
@whiteman post 317
now, let’s all drink some.. coke! to cool down the room! hehe
@aerionn post 303
i don’t want to know GM tristan and i don’t even have plans of befriending him. he expressed his so called “long run” but then it’s a very clear one sided explanation. and i don’t agree much. so as for your suggestion of knowing him first before judging? its a big NO.
@wauks
looks like you really made an update on the matter, i’m sure its in awaiting for moderation. you really do love the word “ASA”. paasahin mo lahat ng naghihintay d2 para sa sinasabi mong “UPDATE”. asa sa script, asa sa 99% chance fail of duping, and asa sa pinapangakong mo palaging “I’m on player’s side”.
Chaos on June 13, 2007
Wala na toh lokohan na tlga toh…… galing ng LUG!!! ibang klase kau… hindi na nakakatuwa… thats all wala din nmn mangyayari miski mag reklamo ka d2 eh… gudluk nlng LUG…
Kiko Matsing on June 13, 2007
@prof
hehe, you’re right! i plan to shift to ROSE or FLyff because its free.
@all
does anybody know if the IPs are open outside philippines?
Aerionn Brightmoon on June 13, 2007
@Kiko
as far as i know, they’re not. we used to be able to play pRO with our friend from Singapore. now, wala.
Justice on June 13, 2007
I think tracing the duped items is doable BUT tracing the dupers are very difficult. It’s so easy to create a new account and let it do the bad thing. I just hope something will really happen for the good of all
Aerionn Brightmoon on June 13, 2007
@ Kiko
(gah, clicked submit too soon) i see your point. like i mentioned in 303. these two weeks are ON THE AVERAGE, roughly PHP 1,500 per regular player… multiply that by the number of players on Baldur, Tyr, and Freya… and we’re looking at around PHP 15 MILLION (assuming the three servers have a combined population of 10,000 regulars) that this rollback is asking those players to throw away.
it was always a question of fairness vs. expediency…
oh well.
Wauks on June 13, 2007
Just want to post one comment here. I read every single one, including the ones still in moderation. I think this post will be one of the most famous posts because in the end it was one of the strongest reasons why the rollback never pushed through, and I even used it when I was talking to the senior management of Level-up.
If there’s anyone you guys should thank for the rollback not happening and the dupe wipe coming up, it’s yourselves. :e11:
Here’s to a dupe-free RO! :no1:
Kiko Matsing on June 14, 2007
hopefully, not another “PAASA” thing.
Kevin Tedd on June 14, 2007
yes thankyou po talaga :heh: :gg: :no1:
Aaron on June 14, 2007
@all
na nag tatanong kung duper c legokid..
why dont u ask BALDUR SERVER kung 22o e2…
im from Loki
example
Bloody Roar in Loki = 1.5b
after the merge
Bloody Roar = 300m??
oh come on…
Legokid pa nasa pub…
@LU
atlast natauhan rin kau!…
Yralyn on June 15, 2007
@Waukeen
Yep, it’s ourselves to blame for the rollback not happening (because the 10% of actual manual players in the commercial servers who worked hard without botting would lose their hard-worked items, while the remaining 90% [botters] would lose all their “pondo” to sell), and for the dupe wipe not happenning…
… even though in the end we’re also the ones whining about it.
Some people really just want to find a reason to go emo. :hmm: